Wednesday September 2 2015
CORRECTION: Harrison Greenbaum questioned inaccuracies in this original piece. To allow him equal time, he was invited onto the show, which you can see in it’s entirety here.
“Comedians” really like to fancy themselves brave when they make fun of Christians. Because in 2015, it’s new territory. Don’t ask these same comics to trash Islam and/or the Qur’an btw. Stop asking questions.
You know who doesn’t think it’s hip or edgy or brave? Actual comedians who are actually funny and actually understand comedy. Also, comedians who aren’t complete douchebags.
Norm MacDonald feels the same way…
“I disagree, I don’t think the Bible joke was brave at all. I think if you’re going to take on an entire religion, you should maybe know what you’re talking about. J.K. Rowling is a Christian and J.K. Rowling famously said that if you read the scriptures you could easily guess the endings to her book. I didn’t like it.”
The look on the comedian’s face was all you needed to see. Right after Roseanne’s asinine and unwarranted praise, Norm gave the little muppet a reality check. The fact that Norm Macdonald is universally agreed upon as one of the most brilliant stand-up comics of our generation didn’t help matters. Here’s an excerpt from another Norm interview on the subject.
Oh, just the smugness. There are a lot more hack “smart” comedians nowadays and atheist comedians. It’s so dull. To be talking about being an atheist living in West Hollywood is not the bravest stance to take. If a guy went up and said, “Jesus Christ is our lord and savior,” I’d say, “Damn, that’s guy’s brave!” Or, “The infidels must die under the sword of Allah!” I’d go, “Goddamn, that’s a brave comic.” So that got under my skin. Also the idiocy of comparing the New Testament to Harry Potter. I knew because I read all the books with my kid that J.K. Rowling said she’s a Christian and based the books on the New Testament. I thought, now you’ve really stepped into an area that you don’t know what you’re talking about at all.
Nobody knows “edgy” more than Norm Macdonald. Hell, he was fired for being too “edgy” at SNL. The crazy thing is that he didn’t dance on that line with hack profanity, but by prodding the politically correct establishment to make them as uncomfortable as possible.
Looks like he’s still doing it. And doing it well.
I’m with you on this one. I didn’t know Norm was a Christian (or JKR for that matter) but yeah, bashing the Lord’s people is about as cowardly as it gets. Anywhooooo. Gotta hand it to Roseanne though for how great she’s looking. I know she’s a multimillionaire and all, so the cash has no doubt helped her improve her body, but she’s rocking it! (not a fan of hers just saying she looks great)
I love you SC!!!!!
I disagree. While I don’t think the joke was brave at all, I don’t think it was a Bible-bashing joke either. The concept was humorous. You quote your book and I’ll quote mine. The second joke was typical humor, building up the listeners’ expectations and then doing a switcheroo. That was mild bashing IMO.
Norm’s a funny guy but he came off as a real sourpuss here. He could’ve commented on the rest of the routine which was quite good.
You do realize that Norm does this to make people feel uncomfortable, right? He did this the other day on defending traditional marriage, and then he joked about how people think he is some holy roller. Man, you guys fall for anything.
JK Rowling’s point was that it was obvious to a Christian who knew that she was a Christian that Harry was going to sacrifice himself and come back from the dead, defeating Voldemort in the process. She wasn’t making out like the whole book was an allegory or that Harry Potter is of the same caliber as the Scripture
Full disclosure: I am a lifelong (48 years so far) agnostic with a deep respect for other people’s belief systems as long as they don’t intrude into my life. I also have a deep appreciation for Christianity and the social stability that the tenets of this religion have brought the world.
There is a secular movement that is intent on destroying Christianity and replacing it with Marxism. And, they are currently enjoying great success in their movement. To the degree that they even have a sympathetic pope in the Vatican. But, I think this comedian is a harmless foot soldier in the Marxists war on everything good. Plus, I love his fat jokes. I thought those were hilarious.
It is, OF COURSE, complete conjecture, with ZERO evidence, as you presented none but your own mouth yapping… I heard they hired the boogeyman, too…
It will forever amaze me how people who complain that the world is “too PC” (like Norm “I got fired for making OJ joke after OJ joke)can muster up outrage when the joke is pointed at them. And anyone who is going to PRETEND that making a joke about the Bible isn’t brave when the number one terrorist group in America uses a cross as their symbol needs to reread the part of the Bible where they say lying is a sin.
You may not like these jokes. You may find them in poor taste. Both are your choice and your right. But don’t lie and say he wasn’t brave in an atmosphere where fake Christians are very real zealots, try to make the US fall under their Sharia style laws and very real terrorists.
Lol wow, akining Christianity to sharia law…try to hide your trolling a little better next time.
I don’t think he was brave. He sounds like some uninformed kid on the Internet. Secondly how do you define “terrorist group” when referring to the “number one terrorist group in America”? What is a “terrorist group” and who is the “number one terrorist group in America”?
When did Norm say the joke was inappropriate or not politically correct? He just said it wasn’t brave and it wasn’t funny. There’s a big difference. It’s almost like you intentionally didn’t pay attention to the context at all. Sadly, that’s typical of most people these days.
you are one sick person if you think christians a terrorists..
Carole, you are right. Anyone who thinks Christians are blind and deceived. Christians are the most loving, giving and charitable people in the world. Christians are FIRST on the scene all over the world providing aid in emergencies or catastrophies. Jesus never forced anyone to follow him. You are saved by faith in Christ, not by murdering innocent men, women and children by cutting their heads off, crucifying them and blowing up babies like ISLAM, which is nothing more than a terrorist cult. I don’t see anyone making fun of them, or going to their bakeries to have them bake a cake for a homosexual marriage, why because they are afraid of them. I pray for those who don’t know Jesus because he loves us all and died for ALL or OUR sins on the Cross, and rose again, and now sits at the right hand of God, until his second coming. People who hate Jesus so much, deep down know that he is the real deal. As the Bible says ” Jesus is the way the truth and the life, no one comes to the Father but by him.”
This little perv is disgusting.
I agree it wasn’t particularly BRAVE… but as a Christian, I thought it was hilarious, and Norm’s response was incoherent. I completely agree with the premise that Christians shouldn’t be trying to quote Bible verses at non-Christians as though unbelievers place the same value on the Bible. If you’re going to try to reason with someone, use whatever common ground you have, not “You should believe in the Bible because the Bible says to.”
What common ground is there between the Christian and an unbeliever?
The common ground between a Christian and a non-believer is that both a sinners.
I saw that show. I didn’t know if he was a Christian or just a decent person with standards.
So I wonder how long it will be before NBC tells Mr. MacDonald, “We can’t have anyone standing up for Christians here. I’m sorry, we’ll have to let you go.”
Here’s Norm MacDonald being brave. He should’ve done this routine after that gay “comedian”.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_t3M14iWyn8
Bing brave is mocking muslims (ala Charlie Hedbo). Being a liberal snotrag is making fun of Christians. Everyone and anyone can do it with not only no consequences but MSM adulation.
This comedian is so double standard. If someone made jokes of homosexuals, they would be considered “hate” jokes, and be labeled as such. The fat jokes were not funny again is this not a form of bullying. I am not politically correct but you can’t have it both ways crying how things are unfair and then being a jerk! I love jokes and comedians who actually know how to deliver.
This might be slightly off-topic but that joke had already been made by another comedian a couple years ago. The set-up made it much less annoying and obvious than in this case.
Here is the original:
https://youtu.be/WWTv4ZQdg8g?t=533
When Larry king asked about his religion recently he did not claim to be christian on larry king now on hulu.
He isn’t even funny. I thought standup usually had that as a requirement.
Yeah, he’s a little perv, trying to get attention in the only way he knows how–today it’s bashing Christianity. Got a lot to learn. Guess we should feel sorry for him.
I thought Rosanne was taking the piss…….but then I realised she was serious!
Man, you are stupid. Nothing was destroyed, you ignorant wretch. He said not funny.. Wow… And you are an ABSOLUTE fn CLOWN for having an image of yourself on the banner of your website. SO tasteless and cheesy.
To be clear, up until about twelve hours ago, Norm was my favorite person alive, whatever that means… I dont have a ‘hero”, I have Aspergers. The concept of a “hero” is ludicrous, to me, unless someone saves a life while risking their own… But I thought him a truly great man… as in incredibly moral and decent and honorable.. I think NONE of those things, now…
The problem is this. It has, now, become 99.9% clear (impossible to be 100% clear unless admitted to) to me that his remarks on gays(and i am 100% heterosexual) come from a place of religious bigotry, not from his ‘discomfort”..
Of course I had heard much of it, before. But after hearing about him being religious, after the bible bopper issue, I shifted my perspective to a completely neutral one, removing any and all bias I would or could feel for Norm… Once I did that, and played dozens of videos on youtube, back to back, it just hit me right in the fn face and gut and.. yeah…. sucks ass… this is not anything but Norm flexing his biggest muscle to do the work of his religion.. he is a master manipulator, obviously.. He is a master at misdirection, obviously.. He is a master of layering something so in depth and detailed and a number of other things.. this is just flat out what he is best at and he has done it beyond masterfully, appparently
. Cause it took me until now to realize this. And I dont “miss things”… I just had no idea that he was religious, somehow, until two days ago, or so. … Once I saw that he was allowing his own personal emotion based on his own personal beliefs, to be the catalyst for him to criticize another comedian like he did (everyone else believed that comic to be gay, obviously Norm did, as well), it showed me that it wasn’t humor that drives his gay rhetoric.. It is his faith….. NOT that he in any way referenced him as gay, but that he thought he was watching a gay comedian bashing the bible and he took offense to it…
You can almost always pinpoint the place within someone from which a deep seeded belief comes, if you look at all the evidence possible.. Religion is usually the easiest variable when able to factor that in.. I am being intentionally overly detailed in order to show that my conclusion follows logic.. It should be “easy” to see, within me, where my own deep seeded belief, in this, originates…..logic….rational thought.. evidence..
Is funny that everyone knows how Norm plays his hands, how he shapes the path to come around to his angle… This is exactly the same thing.,.. he uses the f’n guise of “doing impression of Nixon” so he can say fairy and faggot without it being “him” saying it, now.. he is so fn clever that I am unable to tell if he has actually fooled everyone or if “they” know and give him a pass…
I can’t.. As much as it fn sucks ass so much, I cant. Cause that sh!t is wrong, period. He uses his comedy to inflict super sharp jabs at a group of people that were simply born a certain way. That is just disgusting… I think I have now noticed that if it gets down to the last minute he is being interviewed, on a show that he can get away with it, like Stern or net based shows, he will at that last minute get some type of gay joke in….
I am not religious. I believe that there is a 50/50 chance that there is a creator of the universe, cause the odds, are, literally, 50/50. As no evidence exists, either way, all options remain open. As there are only two,. 50/50…
However, I do not believe, for one second, that that potential creator of the universe is ever mentioned once in any book or bible and that never once was there a “son of god jesus christ”… So, if I WERE a gay person, and these jackasses that, WITHOUT ANY EVIDENCE AT ALL, believe that MY life is so twisted that I am going to go to hell.. for them to be able to just have THE ONE MAN WHO HAS HIT THEM HARDER THAN ANYONE ELSE ON THE PLANET(celebrity voice type status and level and reach.. obviously he HAS to stay within some boundaries)…FOR HIM TO SAY THE THE SUBJECT, THE REASON THAT HE SAYS SUCH THINGS ARE NOT SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE JOKED ABOUT, ON THE OTHER SIDE, IS INSAAAAAAAAAAAAANE….
“hey, we are just gonna send Mike fn Tyson over there and have him just start punchin the sh!t outta you, like everyday, all the time… And once you are bloody and beaten, and it is your turn to hit back, Tyson is just gonna say “hey hold up, that is just uncalled for and not cool’…RIGHT”???? WTF????
Look, IF it WERE LITERAL fact and THERE WAS VIDEO FOOTAGE OF GOD COMING DOWN AND SAYING “GAY BAD”, i WOULD NOT OBJECT… BUT JUST CAUSE IT IS WRITTEN IN A BOOK THAT WAS WRITTEN BY MAN, TWO THOUSAND YEARS AGO, THAT ISNT ENOUGH OR ANY EVIDENCE WORTHY OF PERSECUTING A PERSON DUE TO BEING BORN A CERTAIN WAY, PERIOD….
I realize am going to get nonsense back. Here is the thing., I am a literal genius, an engineer in two fields, and logic is my sidekick, always. I have an eidetic memory I am basing this on ZERO emotion or personal “feelings”, only on the evidence….
It isn’t irony, but still a very strange thing, that more than one of the videos I watched had him mentioning how he felt when his “hero”, Cosby, fell.(i dont think norm is going to “fall”… i imagine much or most of the world will continue on, blind to it or intentionally disregarding it, as has been the case… but he has fallen forever in my eyes, so it still is the ‘same’, to me.).. .. I did EVERYTHING i could to not come to this conclusion, logically…. This is, hands down, a thousand times over, the sh!ttiest conclusion I have ever come to… but there is a far clearer overall picture in my head,now, and I simply cannot ignore that.. not in this case.. not when it is so immoral… not when the ones getting hit are innocent and facing injustice.. I wish I could, at times.. I dont want to have to be the one to open eyes, especially here.. I want to go back to three days ago….
The joke wasn’t even funny or clever it was just stupid. His joke about the fat person complaining about her knees was much funnier. I’m not nearly as fat as the person he describes, but I’m trying to lose weight to help with back pain.
In fairness, fat jokes appear to be pretty ‘brave’ these days, considering the reaction to the ‘dear fat people’ video.